Zitat von Boris im Beitrag #5
Hamilton did have problem with tyres,he said it himself this year and also he said he had to reduce his speed so he could save them.
Everything I wrote stands. Hamilton was beaten by both rosberg and button while in prime in full season. He beat them twice ok (and that 2nd over button was just 2 points). Schumacher in his prime was untouchable.
Schumacher still hold most records.
List you posted dont have any logic... heidfield above kubica and guy beat him many times in same car... also he is on 23rd place? above rosberg? list is joke... Dunno which statistic they watched.
Fangio is definetely to be considered on all time list,but he drove very very different era. Prost,even if I am not fan is also high on the list. Vettel is not. Vettel as 4x champion is joke.
Watch races,expecially 2006 season with schumi on brasil and monaco. Watch what he do without DRS. Guys cant do it now even with it.
Watch also his lap on rain in belgium.
Guy have 10 out of 10 marks in every single area:
qualify speed,race speed,tactic, mechanical development of car,everything... He had most passes in race even in his comeback when he wasnt close to prime one.
Also,you can separate race speed with qualify speed because race is not 5 laps,but 55. if you burn tyres in those 5 laps,you will be 0.5 - 1 or more slower in rest of the laps. Hamilton did had such problem in 1st few years.
My list would be:
1. Schumi
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton,Fangio,Prost
4. Mansell,Senna etc
While I agree with many things you said, I must say there is also one "weak point", concerning Schumacher and his career. No doubt, he for example was much better than Vettel!
But you said that he was untouchable in his prime and this is the problem in his career! In his prime he never had any really good teammates!
I would say the two best guys he faced were Hakkinen and later Alonso, but he never had them as teammates.
Being in your prime and for years in one team with Barrichello and Massa is the "weakness" in his prime time, because every big champion, everyone in your list would have been faster than Barrichello for example.
I also would rank Schumacher within the three best ever. To rank precisely is impossible in formula one, as so much depends on the quality of your teammates and how good your car was.
Hamilton also has "flaws", like for example that he once lost to Button, but then he defeated him twice.
So I think concerning speed, both Hamilton and Schumacher are probably equal. Alonso also has the speed, but he had bad luck with cars.
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:57 am